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	<title>Comments on: Tampa Bay Business Journal Wants Your CSX Opinion</title>
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		<title>By: JOHN JOHNSON</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/perspective/tampa-bay-business-journal-wants-you-csx-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-16320</link>
		<dc:creator>JOHN JOHNSON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the CSX was such a great project for Polk County,why was most of the plans for it done behind closed doors.This is not a good example of government of the people,for the people and by the people.The voters of Polk County should have the right to vote on projects that will have a profound effect on their lives and the lives of their children and grand-children.
April 3,2008 @8;10 AM
JOHN JOHNSON</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the CSX was such a great project for Polk County,why was most of the plans for it done behind closed doors.This is not a good example of government of the people,for the people and by the people.The voters of Polk County should have the right to vote on projects that will have a profound effect on their lives and the lives of their children and grand-children.<br />
April 3,2008 @8;10 AM<br />
JOHN JOHNSON</p>
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		<title>By: conner trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>conner trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, I truly understand Lakeland&#039;s issues concerning the CSX developement in W.H.  I have lived in the Lakeland and Winter Havena area for 48 yrs. I love Lakeland, that community has done a fantastic job developing their city, you could go on for ever for their foresight for the future developement of  their city, a very admirable job by any city&#039;s effort. I have always admired what that have been able to accomplish.  I honestly believe that have been able to accomplish this mission by having their business leaders, politicians,Chamber, and government being on the same page of the goals thy which to obtain.  But, I also feel that Lakeland has always believed that their are Polk County.  But, East Polk has come to MATURITY.  The future is for Polk County to work together.  This may not be the best  thing for Lakeland, but it is the best thing for Polk County.  Why didn&#039;t Lakeland work with CSX 30 years ago when they where heavy into the developement of down town??  Bob, let me know what I can do to help.  Thaks for the bogs, I read all of them. 
 Conner Trent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I truly understand Lakeland&#8217;s issues concerning the CSX developement in W.H.  I have lived in the Lakeland and Winter Havena area for 48 yrs. I love Lakeland, that community has done a fantastic job developing their city, you could go on for ever for their foresight for the future developement of  their city, a very admirable job by any city&#8217;s effort. I have always admired what that have been able to accomplish.  I honestly believe that have been able to accomplish this mission by having their business leaders, politicians,Chamber, and government being on the same page of the goals thy which to obtain.  But, I also feel that Lakeland has always believed that their are Polk County.  But, East Polk has come to MATURITY.  The future is for Polk County to work together.  This may not be the best  thing for Lakeland, but it is the best thing for Polk County.  Why didn&#8217;t Lakeland work with CSX 30 years ago when they where heavy into the developement of down town??  Bob, let me know what I can do to help.  Thaks for the bogs, I read all of them.<br />
 Conner Trent</p>
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		<title>By: conner trent</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/perspective/tampa-bay-business-journal-wants-you-csx-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-16279</link>
		<dc:creator>conner trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, I truly understand Lakeland&#039;s issues concerning the CSX developement in W.H.  I have lived in the Lakeland and Winter Havena area for 48 yrs. I love Lakeland, that community has done a fantastic job developing their city, you could go on forever about their foresight for the future development of  their city, a very admirable job by any city&#039;s effort. I have always admired what that have been able to accomplish.  I honestly believe that have been able to accomplish this mission by having their business leaders, politicians, Chamber, and government on the same page of the goals they wish to obtain.  But, I also feel that Lakeland has always believed that they are Polk County.  But, East Polk has come to MATURITY.  The future is for Polk County to work together.  This may not be the best  thing for Lakeland, but it is the best thing for Polk County.  Why didn&#039;t Lakeland work with CSX 30 years ago when they were heavy into the developement of downtown??  Bob, let me know what I can do to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I truly understand Lakeland&#8217;s issues concerning the CSX developement in W.H.  I have lived in the Lakeland and Winter Havena area for 48 yrs. I love Lakeland, that community has done a fantastic job developing their city, you could go on forever about their foresight for the future development of  their city, a very admirable job by any city&#8217;s effort. I have always admired what that have been able to accomplish.  I honestly believe that have been able to accomplish this mission by having their business leaders, politicians, Chamber, and government on the same page of the goals they wish to obtain.  But, I also feel that Lakeland has always believed that they are Polk County.  But, East Polk has come to MATURITY.  The future is for Polk County to work together.  This may not be the best  thing for Lakeland, but it is the best thing for Polk County.  Why didn&#8217;t Lakeland work with CSX 30 years ago when they were heavy into the developement of downtown??  Bob, let me know what I can do to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Elias</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/perspective/tampa-bay-business-journal-wants-you-csx-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-16268</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Elias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along with any project comes the need for proper planning and making sure the parties benefiting from it bear a large portion of the associated costs.  If this project is to move forward, there is no question that solutions to all infrastructure related matters must be resolved.  This can be done and happens all the time. 

If done properly, the parties to benefit from the CSX project include not only CSX, but ALSO the residents of Winter Haven, Polk County, and the State of Florida.  Anyone owning a business and trying to maintain or create jobs for people here surely knows how difficult our economy is right now due in part ot our lack of economic diversity.  The CSX project, along with the many other support business and others who will likely co-locate here in the future, will no doubt have a positive impact to the City&#039;s, County&#039;s, and State&#039;s economies.  This project will help better tie us into the world economy, and add depth and variety to our local business community.

We have a golden opportunity to attract a world-class business to central Florida.  I recall Polk Vision concluded that Polk County needed to attract this kind of business to help directly and indirectly create jobs and bring wealth into our community, which will benefit all residents.  Let&#039;s work together to figure out solutions to make this happen in a responsible way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along with any project comes the need for proper planning and making sure the parties benefiting from it bear a large portion of the associated costs.  If this project is to move forward, there is no question that solutions to all infrastructure related matters must be resolved.  This can be done and happens all the time. </p>
<p>If done properly, the parties to benefit from the CSX project include not only CSX, but ALSO the residents of Winter Haven, Polk County, and the State of Florida.  Anyone owning a business and trying to maintain or create jobs for people here surely knows how difficult our economy is right now due in part ot our lack of economic diversity.  The CSX project, along with the many other support business and others who will likely co-locate here in the future, will no doubt have a positive impact to the City&#8217;s, County&#8217;s, and State&#8217;s economies.  This project will help better tie us into the world economy, and add depth and variety to our local business community.</p>
<p>We have a golden opportunity to attract a world-class business to central Florida.  I recall Polk Vision concluded that Polk County needed to attract this kind of business to help directly and indirectly create jobs and bring wealth into our community, which will benefit all residents.  Let&#8217;s work together to figure out solutions to make this happen in a responsible way.</p>
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		<title>By: SAM KILLEBREW</title>
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		<dc:creator>SAM KILLEBREW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

You can take them to the river but you CAN&quot;T make them drink...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>You can take them to the river but you CAN&#8221;T make them drink&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Winter Haven native</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/perspective/tampa-bay-business-journal-wants-you-csx-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-16228</link>
		<dc:creator>Winter Haven native</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to address the earlier comment which I&#039;ve seen from time to time stating how it&#039;s a shame that a few would put their own self interest ahead of the needs of the many. I would like to remind everyone that this is NOT a communist state. This project  will have a severe negative impact on quite a few locals as well as other polk countians and their businesses just to start.If this project was a new hospital,school, or an institution of the like, the earlier comment might hold water. However concerns about these negative impacts to locals so far have been met with a &quot;take it and like it attitude&quot; for the sole purpose of economic gain for someone else. I don&#039;t blame people for being fired up, and now this type of attitude along with the way this has been handled from the beginning is fueling concern statewide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to address the earlier comment which I&#8217;ve seen from time to time stating how it&#8217;s a shame that a few would put their own self interest ahead of the needs of the many. I would like to remind everyone that this is NOT a communist state. This project  will have a severe negative impact on quite a few locals as well as other polk countians and their businesses just to start.If this project was a new hospital,school, or an institution of the like, the earlier comment might hold water. However concerns about these negative impacts to locals so far have been met with a &#8220;take it and like it attitude&#8221; for the sole purpose of economic gain for someone else. I don&#8217;t blame people for being fired up, and now this type of attitude along with the way this has been handled from the beginning is fueling concern statewide.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Gernert</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/perspective/tampa-bay-business-journal-wants-you-csx-opinion/comment-page-1/#comment-16225</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Gernert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy,

You&#039;ve thrown out many claims and no data. We were an early partner with myregion.org and there are volumes of research available there. I wholeheartedly suggest you review that data before you claim that anyone has taken a casual approach to solving the challenges of this seven county region.

My profession? I&#039;m the executive director of the  Greater Winter Haven Chamber of Commerce and a 46 year resident of this community. We believe our region has the brains and the vision to do it and do it well.

Visit this link to see the actual potential. No guessing, no wild claims. It represents the actual track record for the Alliance, Texas integrated logistics center. http://www.alliancetexas.com/Research/AllianceTexasFacts/EconomicImpact/tabid/202/Default.aspx

And if you haven&#039;t visited Alliance, you really should consider seeing first hand that which you dismiss as &quot;corporate welfare.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve thrown out many claims and no data. We were an early partner with myregion.org and there are volumes of research available there. I wholeheartedly suggest you review that data before you claim that anyone has taken a casual approach to solving the challenges of this seven county region.</p>
<p>My profession? I&#8217;m the executive director of the  Greater Winter Haven Chamber of Commerce and a 46 year resident of this community. We believe our region has the brains and the vision to do it and do it well.</p>
<p>Visit this link to see the actual potential. No guessing, no wild claims. It represents the actual track record for the Alliance, Texas integrated logistics center. <a href="http://www.alliancetexas.com/Research/AllianceTexasFacts/EconomicImpact/tabid/202/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.alliancetexas.com/Research/AllianceTexasFacts/EconomicImpact/tabid/202/Default.aspx</a></p>
<p>And if you haven&#8217;t visited Alliance, you really should consider seeing first hand that which you dismiss as &#8220;corporate welfare.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, I respectfully disagree.  We have not been provided any hard facts or actual numbers from Mica, MyRegion, CFRail or any other source.  There are very few studies being circulated - one important question not being answered, who will ride?  Throwing out that widening I-4 will cost $1 billion dollars without actual data to back it up is as old as the idea.  Chamber-speak I&#039;m afraid.  

Furthermore, why would we need to widen the road if we developed RBT? (rapid bus transit)It&#039;s working everywhere else in the country and designating a fast lane would surely attract ridership.

Building mass transit that services everyone in regional Central Florida area is a better pursuit and commuter rail does not nor never will offer widespread service.  

Our current LYNX bus system which could&#039;ve been built into a superior, state of the art mass transit system stinks b/c of inadequate funding and insufficient attention from lawmakers.  Mica &amp; DOT thumb their noses at bus transit.  If we had a legitimate bus transit system, like many other major metros in the country, servicing different socio-economic levels (yep, that&#039;s right, rich people ride luxury buses too) I might support commuter rail as a supplement.  Heck, as it stands, bus service isn&#039;t even being offered as a supplemental service to take riders to a station.  

What makes you think a region that won&#039;t support bus system traffic nor can think outside the box to bring innovative smart bus to CF that is sprawled out for 100s of miles will support down the road mass rail running in a narrow straight line through a region spread 50 miles.  Rail offers very limited service whereas buses could one day meet wide spread demand and furthermore, we OWN THE ROADS.  

Rails are an obsolete short-sighted proposal and I would appreciate it if politicians would be honest about the CSX deal - corporate welfare. 

BTW Bob, what is your profession?  It&#039;s been very interesting to watch the players who expect to make money off rail line up in support. 

I have no financial ties to CSX or rail line development or any other project that will be directly impacted negatively or positively by rail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I respectfully disagree.  We have not been provided any hard facts or actual numbers from Mica, MyRegion, CFRail or any other source.  There are very few studies being circulated &#8211; one important question not being answered, who will ride?  Throwing out that widening I-4 will cost $1 billion dollars without actual data to back it up is as old as the idea.  Chamber-speak I&#8217;m afraid.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, why would we need to widen the road if we developed RBT? (rapid bus transit)It&#8217;s working everywhere else in the country and designating a fast lane would surely attract ridership.</p>
<p>Building mass transit that services everyone in regional Central Florida area is a better pursuit and commuter rail does not nor never will offer widespread service.  </p>
<p>Our current LYNX bus system which could&#8217;ve been built into a superior, state of the art mass transit system stinks b/c of inadequate funding and insufficient attention from lawmakers.  Mica &amp; DOT thumb their noses at bus transit.  If we had a legitimate bus transit system, like many other major metros in the country, servicing different socio-economic levels (yep, that&#8217;s right, rich people ride luxury buses too) I might support commuter rail as a supplement.  Heck, as it stands, bus service isn&#8217;t even being offered as a supplemental service to take riders to a station.  </p>
<p>What makes you think a region that won&#8217;t support bus system traffic nor can think outside the box to bring innovative smart bus to CF that is sprawled out for 100s of miles will support down the road mass rail running in a narrow straight line through a region spread 50 miles.  Rail offers very limited service whereas buses could one day meet wide spread demand and furthermore, we OWN THE ROADS.  </p>
<p>Rails are an obsolete short-sighted proposal and I would appreciate it if politicians would be honest about the CSX deal &#8211; corporate welfare. </p>
<p>BTW Bob, what is your profession?  It&#8217;s been very interesting to watch the players who expect to make money off rail line up in support. </p>
<p>I have no financial ties to CSX or rail line development or any other project that will be directly impacted negatively or positively by rail.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Gernert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Gernert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,

Don&#039;t be misled by the rhetoric of fear espoused by DLP. Visit this link for the actual economic statistics for the Alliance, Texas ILC: http://www.alliancetexas.com/Research/AllianceTexasFacts/EconomicImpact/tabid/202/Default.aspx

Well planned and executed it is a model of efficiency and design. We have that same opportunity and we are convinced we have the talent and vision in Polk County to do it as well or better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be misled by the rhetoric of fear espoused by DLP. Visit this link for the actual economic statistics for the Alliance, Texas ILC: <a href="http://www.alliancetexas.com/Research/AllianceTexasFacts/EconomicImpact/tabid/202/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.alliancetexas.com/Research/AllianceTexasFacts/EconomicImpact/tabid/202/Default.aspx</a></p>
<p>Well planned and executed it is a model of efficiency and design. We have that same opportunity and we are convinced we have the talent and vision in Polk County to do it as well or better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Kleissler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Kleissler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The types of jobs that Winter Haven will get from CSX will not help Polk County become a great place. The negative effect this project will have on Lakeland and other Polk communities will only help high caliber businesses decide to locate elsewhere, in communities that are great places to live in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The types of jobs that Winter Haven will get from CSX will not help Polk County become a great place. The negative effect this project will have on Lakeland and other Polk communities will only help high caliber businesses decide to locate elsewhere, in communities that are great places to live in.</p>
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