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	<title>Comments on: Alliance, Texas &#8211; Impressions of an Intermodal Site Visit &#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Christi Gomez</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/commercial-developments/alliance-texas-impressions-of-a-site-visit/comment-page-1/#comment-864</link>
		<dc:creator>Christi Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 17:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if this will get posted because it seems only positive remarks about the City of Winter Haven get posted but here it goes.  Mike because you didn&#039;t want to put your last name down I don&#039;t know how to address you properly so excuse me if I am informal. The real argument isn&#039;t buffer size and no one that I know are making any demands.  There would not be any controversy if CSX had really wanted to be a good neighbor and if the City of Winter Haven had insisted that CSX deal with the residence two years ago before they did anything. Has anyone every come in and said it doesn&#039;t matter what happens to you because what hurts a few will benefit the many?  If this was happening to you, and I hope it never does, you would be trying to do anything you could to protect your way of life and investment in your home.  The real issue is CSX and the City of Winter Haven does not have to hurt the few to benefit the many.  There is no reason for all this bitter fighting, none of the homeowners I know want this project to be stopped they just want CSX to do what they said they would do and buy them out so they can move away from an incompatible heavy industrial area.  There is nothing more to it than that!  Berm size is only brought up because of the fruitless proposal made by CSX to the residents of Sundance of a berm to be place on their property that they would have to maintain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this will get posted because it seems only positive remarks about the City of Winter Haven get posted but here it goes.  Mike because you didn&#8217;t want to put your last name down I don&#8217;t know how to address you properly so excuse me if I am informal. The real argument isn&#8217;t buffer size and no one that I know are making any demands.  There would not be any controversy if CSX had really wanted to be a good neighbor and if the City of Winter Haven had insisted that CSX deal with the residence two years ago before they did anything. Has anyone every come in and said it doesn&#8217;t matter what happens to you because what hurts a few will benefit the many?  If this was happening to you, and I hope it never does, you would be trying to do anything you could to protect your way of life and investment in your home.  The real issue is CSX and the City of Winter Haven does not have to hurt the few to benefit the many.  There is no reason for all this bitter fighting, none of the homeowners I know want this project to be stopped they just want CSX to do what they said they would do and buy them out so they can move away from an incompatible heavy industrial area.  There is nothing more to it than that!  Berm size is only brought up because of the fruitless proposal made by CSX to the residents of Sundance of a berm to be place on their property that they would have to maintain.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/commercial-developments/alliance-texas-impressions-of-a-site-visit/comment-page-1/#comment-810</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 05:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get this right, we are arguing over the buffer size, and the potential displacement of a few people, as compaired to the general growth of a large employer for our city? I am sure no one has contacted any one, because ROME did not get built in a day, and there has to be a starting poit to every major event. Go to the meetings as they are open and discuss the issues. Lets not make unfair demands untill we have the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this right, we are arguing over the buffer size, and the potential displacement of a few people, as compaired to the general growth of a large employer for our city? I am sure no one has contacted any one, because ROME did not get built in a day, and there has to be a starting poit to every major event. Go to the meetings as they are open and discuss the issues. Lets not make unfair demands untill we have the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Kendra Branchley</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/commercial-developments/alliance-texas-impressions-of-a-site-visit/comment-page-1/#comment-808</link>
		<dc:creator>Kendra Branchley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 02:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There must be some disconnect then with the County, as it was listed municipal well after the annexation.  Also, why did it take the City over a year to rezone it Heavy Industrial?  Can you post a copy of or reference the specific the code you are talking about. Thanks for the help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There must be some disconnect then with the County, as it was listed municipal well after the annexation.  Also, why did it take the City over a year to rezone it Heavy Industrial?  Can you post a copy of or reference the specific the code you are talking about. Thanks for the help.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Gernert</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/commercial-developments/alliance-texas-impressions-of-a-site-visit/comment-page-1/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Gernert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 18:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up until the time the property was annexed into Winter Haven (April 2005), it was zoned &quot;Institutional&quot; by county code. When annexed, the City&#039;s existing zoning code required the wastewater treatment plant be classified as &quot;Heavy Industrial.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up until the time the property was annexed into Winter Haven (April 2005), it was zoned &#8220;Institutional&#8221; by county code. When annexed, the City&#8217;s existing zoning code required the wastewater treatment plant be classified as &#8220;Heavy Industrial.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Dee Chiavuzzi</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/commercial-developments/alliance-texas-impressions-of-a-site-visit/comment-page-1/#comment-789</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee Dee Chiavuzzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 22:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will point out, as no has yet to, that by Winter Haven&#039;s own land use codes and definition that heavy industrial is incompatable with residential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will point out, as no has yet to, that by Winter Haven&#8217;s own land use codes and definition that heavy industrial is incompatable with residential.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Gernert</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/commercial-developments/alliance-texas-impressions-of-a-site-visit/comment-page-1/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Gernert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 19:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Gomez,

First let me say that I do empathize with the residents of Sundance Ranch Estates. But that empathy is tempered by the fact that you chose to build your home 65 feet from an operating railroad track and the spray fields of a wastewater treatment plant. The potential for industrial development has existed for decades.

That being said, I believe that both CSX and City of Winter Haven representatives want an equitable solution for nearby residents. But for an equitable solution to be found there has to be common ground. What is it that the majority of Sundance residents want to happen? Fair market price? A 30 foot berm? Or should we walk away from the potential for thousands of jobs and an economic impact that can raise the standard of living for many, many area citizens?

I am committed to bringing you and your neighbors into a setting where equitable solutions can be found. 

I love this community as you do and a strong vibrant economy will ensure Winter Haven will be a place where our children and grandchildren can be successful. Let&#039;s not slam the door shut on such a great opportunity as this when we have the talents necessary to do this correctly, safely and in a way that everyone will benefit.

CSX has already begun the process of scheduling the first of many citizen meetings. I believe they truly want to be good neighbors. Anything less is unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Gomez,</p>
<p>First let me say that I do empathize with the residents of Sundance Ranch Estates. But that empathy is tempered by the fact that you chose to build your home 65 feet from an operating railroad track and the spray fields of a wastewater treatment plant. The potential for industrial development has existed for decades.</p>
<p>That being said, I believe that both CSX and City of Winter Haven representatives want an equitable solution for nearby residents. But for an equitable solution to be found there has to be common ground. What is it that the majority of Sundance residents want to happen? Fair market price? A 30 foot berm? Or should we walk away from the potential for thousands of jobs and an economic impact that can raise the standard of living for many, many area citizens?</p>
<p>I am committed to bringing you and your neighbors into a setting where equitable solutions can be found. </p>
<p>I love this community as you do and a strong vibrant economy will ensure Winter Haven will be a place where our children and grandchildren can be successful. Let&#8217;s not slam the door shut on such a great opportunity as this when we have the talents necessary to do this correctly, safely and in a way that everyone will benefit.</p>
<p>CSX has already begun the process of scheduling the first of many citizen meetings. I believe they truly want to be good neighbors. Anything less is unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Christi Gomez</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/commercial-developments/alliance-texas-impressions-of-a-site-visit/comment-page-1/#comment-783</link>
		<dc:creator>Christi Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 18:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Gernert,

First let me start by saying I was born and raised in Winter Haven and my Grandparents lived here for over 80 years.  My Grandmother worked as the secretary to the Justice of Peace for Winter Haven for many years.  My Grandfather owned the Studebaker dealership here so you can see my family goes way back.  My Grandparents donated a piece of land between (11th Street N.E. and where the PCC access road is now) to the City of Winter for the College.  I grew up with Parents and Grandparent who loved and believed Winter Haven was the ideal place to raise a family and I grew up to love it as well.  Now with that said let me also tell you that I have lived in Sundance Ranch Estate or over 20 years and my house is the closest to the tracks I live 65 feet from the existing track.  I am extremely sad that neither you nor any of the City of Winter Haven officials have the least little bit of empathy for the residents of Sundance or surrounding neighborhoods that will be the most affected by this CSX project.   Second it is not true that CSX has tried to involve the residents in their planning of this site and may I also add with all do respect CSX has never even contacted me as an individual homeowner to discuss anything.  I did meet with CSX along with my neighbors on two separate occasions but was told at these meetings they were considering buying our properties.  What bothers me the most Mr. Gernert is that not one Winter Haven City Officials has bother to even come out to Sundance to see how close we live or to see what kind of impact this will have on our peaceful way of life nor have they come talk to us about a berm or check to see if a berm would be compatible or even feasible for us.  Third the proposal from CSX did not have specifics on the size of the berm and each time we talk to the City we get a different answer regarding the size of the berm.  Last but not least let me say, I understand the potential economic impact this may have and all me and my neighbors are asking is that CSX and the City of Winter has the decency to come and look at our property and have a true, honest and open discussion with the residents. Please no more exaggerating the positive we have done more research and investigations on this subject than any City or County official we know the fact so please letâ€™s be honest about this issue.  Thank you for letting me express my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Gernert,</p>
<p>First let me start by saying I was born and raised in Winter Haven and my Grandparents lived here for over 80 years.  My Grandmother worked as the secretary to the Justice of Peace for Winter Haven for many years.  My Grandfather owned the Studebaker dealership here so you can see my family goes way back.  My Grandparents donated a piece of land between (11th Street N.E. and where the PCC access road is now) to the City of Winter for the College.  I grew up with Parents and Grandparent who loved and believed Winter Haven was the ideal place to raise a family and I grew up to love it as well.  Now with that said let me also tell you that I have lived in Sundance Ranch Estate or over 20 years and my house is the closest to the tracks I live 65 feet from the existing track.  I am extremely sad that neither you nor any of the City of Winter Haven officials have the least little bit of empathy for the residents of Sundance or surrounding neighborhoods that will be the most affected by this CSX project.   Second it is not true that CSX has tried to involve the residents in their planning of this site and may I also add with all do respect CSX has never even contacted me as an individual homeowner to discuss anything.  I did meet with CSX along with my neighbors on two separate occasions but was told at these meetings they were considering buying our properties.  What bothers me the most Mr. Gernert is that not one Winter Haven City Officials has bother to even come out to Sundance to see how close we live or to see what kind of impact this will have on our peaceful way of life nor have they come talk to us about a berm or check to see if a berm would be compatible or even feasible for us.  Third the proposal from CSX did not have specifics on the size of the berm and each time we talk to the City we get a different answer regarding the size of the berm.  Last but not least let me say, I understand the potential economic impact this may have and all me and my neighbors are asking is that CSX and the City of Winter has the decency to come and look at our property and have a true, honest and open discussion with the residents. Please no more exaggerating the positive we have done more research and investigations on this subject than any City or County official we know the fact so please letâ€™s be honest about this issue.  Thank you for letting me express my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Chiavuzzi</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/commercial-developments/alliance-texas-impressions-of-a-site-visit/comment-page-1/#comment-782</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Chiavuzzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 17:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, I did not say that they were planning a 2ft berm, I said that with no detailed plan published, their own statements are too vague to assume any substancial buffering of the site. 

As far as the proposed 15ft berm made to the residents of Sundance, if you haven&#039;t been informed, they turned it down. The proposal was unexceptable.  So again, no published, detailed plan for a site that is to be started in the coming months.

And we have asked for a bigger berm.  We have stated this desire directly to Mr. Hood of CSX and Mr. Chichetto of the City of Winter Haven. Mr. Chichetto stated that only the phosphate mines had such large berms and that Winter Haven would not require such from CSX.  Mr. Hood has not responded.

Yes, CSX has mentioned that they would like to have the locals involved with planning for the center, however, to date, nothing concrete has been done on their end.  

There you have it, open and honest discussion. No exaggerations.  Thanks for posting this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, I did not say that they were planning a 2ft berm, I said that with no detailed plan published, their own statements are too vague to assume any substancial buffering of the site. </p>
<p>As far as the proposed 15ft berm made to the residents of Sundance, if you haven&#8217;t been informed, they turned it down. The proposal was unexceptable.  So again, no published, detailed plan for a site that is to be started in the coming months.</p>
<p>And we have asked for a bigger berm.  We have stated this desire directly to Mr. Hood of CSX and Mr. Chichetto of the City of Winter Haven. Mr. Chichetto stated that only the phosphate mines had such large berms and that Winter Haven would not require such from CSX.  Mr. Hood has not responded.</p>
<p>Yes, CSX has mentioned that they would like to have the locals involved with planning for the center, however, to date, nothing concrete has been done on their end.  </p>
<p>There you have it, open and honest discussion. No exaggerations.  Thanks for posting this.</p>
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		<title>By: Pam Childers</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/commercial-developments/alliance-texas-impressions-of-a-site-visit/comment-page-1/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam Childers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 14:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

I have read your responses and am actually floored. CSX has said many things, I could list them for you if you would like...I have my notes to say the least my backup written letters.

CSX has proposed many things to many people only to backout or take the &#039;deal&#039; off the table. Check out what happened to the neighbors that are &#039;close&#039; to the CSX Fairburn GA site. By the way close is 700+ feet of GA wooded land - I have pictures if you are willing to post them.

As to the berm, no where in my letter from CSX is a 15&#039; berm noted. It says &quot;planning for a landscaped earthen berm&quot;, please note that does not say anything about &quot;15 feet&quot;. 

I will ask, what control or enforcement does the Winter Haven Chamber of Commerce, or even you personally, have to enforce or guarantee that CSX will do this berm at 15&#039;? So posting it on your website is of no comfort to me.

As to where we get &quot;2 feet&quot;, I got it from using the fire hydrant in the picture supplied by CSX in my copy of the letter as a height measurement...the earthen part of the berm is not much taller than the fire hydrant in the picture. I can even supply you with a copy of the picture.

I ask that you and other readers check out the Polk County News Blog at http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/news/story/csx-hub-new-industrial-city-or-humble-rail-yard/ written by Billy Townsend. He has done his homework, not just listened to CSX&#039;s propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>I have read your responses and am actually floored. CSX has said many things, I could list them for you if you would like&#8230;I have my notes to say the least my backup written letters.</p>
<p>CSX has proposed many things to many people only to backout or take the &#8216;deal&#8217; off the table. Check out what happened to the neighbors that are &#8216;close&#8217; to the CSX Fairburn GA site. By the way close is 700+ feet of GA wooded land &#8211; I have pictures if you are willing to post them.</p>
<p>As to the berm, no where in my letter from CSX is a 15&#8242; berm noted. It says &#8220;planning for a landscaped earthen berm&#8221;, please note that does not say anything about &#8220;15 feet&#8221;. </p>
<p>I will ask, what control or enforcement does the Winter Haven Chamber of Commerce, or even you personally, have to enforce or guarantee that CSX will do this berm at 15&#8242;? So posting it on your website is of no comfort to me.</p>
<p>As to where we get &#8220;2 feet&#8221;, I got it from using the fire hydrant in the picture supplied by CSX in my copy of the letter as a height measurement&#8230;the earthen part of the berm is not much taller than the fire hydrant in the picture. I can even supply you with a copy of the picture.</p>
<p>I ask that you and other readers check out the Polk County News Blog at <a href="http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/news/story/csx-hub-new-industrial-city-or-humble-rail-yard/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/news/story/csx-hub-new-industrial-city-or-humble-rail-yard/</a> written by Billy Townsend. He has done his homework, not just listened to CSX&#8217;s propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Gernert</title>
		<link>http://blog.winterhavenchamber.com/commercial-developments/alliance-texas-impressions-of-a-site-visit/comment-page-1/#comment-731</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Gernert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 23:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The proposed CSX berm would measure 15 feet and that was published on this site in March. This dialogue will be better served by presenting facts and not baseless claims such as &quot;two foot berms with azaleas.&quot;  

If you think higher berms are better, bring that to the table.

CSX has offered nearby residents to participate in the planning process for the center. (See our earlier post and their letter to you and other residents of Sundance Ranch Estates.)

CSX will soon announce meetings for other nearby neighborhoods and we will publish those details on this site.

We endorse an honest open discussion of the issues. Not exaggerations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposed CSX berm would measure 15 feet and that was published on this site in March. This dialogue will be better served by presenting facts and not baseless claims such as &#8220;two foot berms with azaleas.&#8221;  </p>
<p>If you think higher berms are better, bring that to the table.</p>
<p>CSX has offered nearby residents to participate in the planning process for the center. (See our earlier post and their letter to you and other residents of Sundance Ranch Estates.)</p>
<p>CSX will soon announce meetings for other nearby neighborhoods and we will publish those details on this site.</p>
<p>We endorse an honest open discussion of the issues. Not exaggerations.</p>
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